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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://lithax.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/41/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just a quick note, the cache found on some cd drives
can be detected by timing sucessive reads (given an unloaded test system)

the cache can then be defeated by either using the FUA
(force unit access flag) on supporting drives, or by overreading the cache.

if i remember correctly, ruby ripper is designed to overread
the cache. in that sense, ruby ripper at least is good for
accurate rips. it probably uses an arbitrarily large target
buffer size rather than detecting the cache.

the problem is, non of the developers of low level cd rippers on linux seem interested in the kind of pedantic detail provided by EAC. IOW, accurate rip support, proper log files, and C2 error support seem to be outside the scope of the application as it is designed.

there exists an open source linux accurate rip checker
called ARCue.pl and that seems to indicate that the spoon
(accurate rip creator) is open to open source apps using
the db, and that it&#039;s trivially easy to do. it&#039;s not suitable for
most people though as it currently only works on images,
not tracks.

i may submit some changes to it at some point but i&#039;m seriously looking at modifying one of the existing linux
C/C++ tools to provide a ripper comparible to EAC. (GUI included)

don&#039;t watch this space though :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a quick note, the cache found on some cd drives<br />
can be detected by timing sucessive reads (given an unloaded test system)</p>
<p>the cache can then be defeated by either using the FUA<br />
(force unit access flag) on supporting drives, or by overreading the cache.</p>
<p>if i remember correctly, ruby ripper is designed to overread<br />
the cache. in that sense, ruby ripper at least is good for<br />
accurate rips. it probably uses an arbitrarily large target<br />
buffer size rather than detecting the cache.</p>
<p>the problem is, non of the developers of low level cd rippers on linux seem interested in the kind of pedantic detail provided by EAC. IOW, accurate rip support, proper log files, and C2 error support seem to be outside the scope of the application as it is designed.</p>
<p>there exists an open source linux accurate rip checker<br />
called ARCue.pl and that seems to indicate that the spoon<br />
(accurate rip creator) is open to open source apps using<br />
the db, and that it&#8217;s trivially easy to do. it&#8217;s not suitable for<br />
most people though as it currently only works on images,<br />
not tracks.</p>
<p>i may submit some changes to it at some point but i&#8217;m seriously looking at modifying one of the existing linux<br />
C/C++ tools to provide a ripper comparible to EAC. (GUI included)</p>
<p>don&#8217;t watch this space though <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://lithax.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/41/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just upgraded to Hardy Heron and EAC crashes when i hit the MP3 button.

Fixed this not by changing Wine.  Just followed logos34&#039;s tip to &quot;launch EAC and set EAC options&gt;interface tab to “Native Win32 interface for NT/2000/XP. Relaunch.&quot;

Now it works fine - although EAC now only sees my first CD/DVD Drive.

Thanks!  Happy to have a easy solution to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just upgraded to Hardy Heron and EAC crashes when i hit the MP3 button.</p>
<p>Fixed this not by changing Wine.  Just followed logos34&#8217;s tip to &#8220;launch EAC and set EAC options&gt;interface tab to “Native Win32 interface for NT/2000/XP. Relaunch.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now it works fine &#8211; although EAC now only sees my first CD/DVD Drive.</p>
<p>Thanks!  Happy to have a easy solution to this.</p>
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		<title>By: logos34</title>
		<link>http://lithax.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/41/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>logos34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 08:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solved the problem by going back to wine v.47 (for gutsy).  Now it detects the cdrom correctly after restart or resume.

Yet another case of the devs *improving* a pkg to the point it no longer works properly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solved the problem by going back to wine v.47 (for gutsy).  Now it detects the cdrom correctly after restart or resume.</p>
<p>Yet another case of the devs *improving* a pkg to the point it no longer works properly!</p>
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		<title>By: logos34</title>
		<link>http://lithax.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/41/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>logos34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m struggling with EAC on Ubuntu Hardy too.  But the guy above is right about past versions--you don&#039;t have to reinstall.  I was able to install older releases as far back as the .46 for Feisty.

I finally got the latest Wine release (.61) to work by CAREFULLY going through winecfg Drive tab.  On mine it refuses to autodetect the partitions/devices correctly and includes duplicate entries, which I have to clean up.  Here&#039;s what I have to do:

-press &#039;Autodetect...&#039; button
-go through the list manually clicking on each and every partition/device, with &#039;Type&#039; dropdown menu set to &#039;Autodetect&#039;.  It turns out that on mine the cdrom drive was being misidentified as a &#039;local hard disk&#039; partition.  So I added it as D:\ and set type to CDROM.
-launch EAC and set EAC options&gt;interface tab to &quot;Native Win32 interface for NT/2000/XP.  Relaunch.  Only then does EAC see the drive and fetch cddb info for audio CD.

The problem is that it does not always save the settings over standby or system restart.  So I have to reconfigure all over again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m struggling with EAC on Ubuntu Hardy too.  But the guy above is right about past versions&#8211;you don&#8217;t have to reinstall.  I was able to install older releases as far back as the .46 for Feisty.</p>
<p>I finally got the latest Wine release (.61) to work by CAREFULLY going through winecfg Drive tab.  On mine it refuses to autodetect the partitions/devices correctly and includes duplicate entries, which I have to clean up.  Here&#8217;s what I have to do:</p>
<p>-press &#8216;Autodetect&#8230;&#8217; button<br />
-go through the list manually clicking on each and every partition/device, with &#8216;Type&#8217; dropdown menu set to &#8216;Autodetect&#8217;.  It turns out that on mine the cdrom drive was being misidentified as a &#8216;local hard disk&#8217; partition.  So I added it as D:\ and set type to CDROM.<br />
-launch EAC and set EAC options&gt;interface tab to &#8220;Native Win32 interface for NT/2000/XP.  Relaunch.  Only then does EAC see the drive and fetch cddb info for audio CD.</p>
<p>The problem is that it does not always save the settings over standby or system restart.  So I have to reconfigure all over again!</p>
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		<title>By: lithax</title>
		<link>http://lithax.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/41/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>lithax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m only using Ubuntu currently, while I wait for Fedora 9 to be released, so I haven’t greatly investigated downgrading packages.

I appreciate Wine is hard to setup, had EAC not worked well on any Wine I would have accepted that. What annoyed me was that EAC, which had been working through quite a few versions of Wine for about 18 months (across both Ubuntu and Fedora) suddenly stopped working after an upgrade.
Incidentally, my life is largely spread between fiddling inside old &amp; new studio equipment and tweaking realtime performance on Linux workstations with little human interaction. So yes, my life is fairly pathetic :D The EAC clone you refer to is cdparanoia and/or RubyRipper. There’s two basic problems with those systems:

	They do no empty the CD-ROM cache, so if your optical drive caches audio, your error correction won’t be accurate

	There is no system that currently works with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accuraterip.com&quot; title=&quot;AccurateRip&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AccurateRip&lt;/a&gt;. And AccurateRip is a great little insurance system to verify that the CD rip is indeed accurate


In any event, my investigations into this have shown that it’s as much a kernel problem as anything else. And no, it’s not “that kernel problem” that’s cropped up with Wine and Ubuntu Hardy (I get that too, but there’s another issue that affects EAC).

In any event, this is all academic at the moment as my optical drive packed up last week and now there’s some sort of major power problem with my laptop and it’s currently in the hands of a trained money at Toshiba. :(

Thanks for the comments BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m only using Ubuntu currently, while I wait for Fedora 9 to be released, so I haven’t greatly investigated downgrading packages.</p>
<p>I appreciate Wine is hard to setup, had EAC not worked well on any Wine I would have accepted that. What annoyed me was that EAC, which had been working through quite a few versions of Wine for about 18 months (across both Ubuntu and Fedora) suddenly stopped working after an upgrade.<br />
Incidentally, my life is largely spread between fiddling inside old &amp; new studio equipment and tweaking realtime performance on Linux workstations with little human interaction. So yes, my life is fairly pathetic <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  The EAC clone you refer to is cdparanoia and/or RubyRipper. There’s two basic problems with those systems:</p>
<p>	They do no empty the CD-ROM cache, so if your optical drive caches audio, your error correction won’t be accurate</p>
<p>	There is no system that currently works with <a href="http://www.accuraterip.com" title="AccurateRip" rel="nofollow">AccurateRip</a>. And AccurateRip is a great little insurance system to verify that the CD rip is indeed accurate</p>
<p>In any event, my investigations into this have shown that it’s as much a kernel problem as anything else. And no, it’s not “that kernel problem” that’s cropped up with Wine and Ubuntu Hardy (I get that too, but there’s another issue that affects EAC).</p>
<p>In any event, this is all academic at the moment as my optical drive packed up last week and now there’s some sort of major power problem with my laptop and it’s currently in the hands of a trained money at Toshiba. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You realize that you can downgrade a version of wine in ubuntu right?  I had no problem running eac in any of the versions of wine that you had mentioned.  Wine is not for the faint of heart, it is extremely hard to set stuff up in it correctly.  People file bugs/complain all of the time that stuff doesnt work when all they really need to do is look at the error log, figure out what dll, ocs, etc it is missing, and add that.  none too hard.  I suggest upgrading to the newest ubuntu and then downgrade wine if need be.  Also, it ruined your life?!?!  A fairly pathetic life I must say.

To be serious though, there is an eac clone for linux (produces the same logs and uses the same ripping processes), i just do not know what it is called and cannot be arsed to look for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You realize that you can downgrade a version of wine in ubuntu right?  I had no problem running eac in any of the versions of wine that you had mentioned.  Wine is not for the faint of heart, it is extremely hard to set stuff up in it correctly.  People file bugs/complain all of the time that stuff doesnt work when all they really need to do is look at the error log, figure out what dll, ocs, etc it is missing, and add that.  none too hard.  I suggest upgrading to the newest ubuntu and then downgrade wine if need be.  Also, it ruined your life?!?!  A fairly pathetic life I must say.</p>
<p>To be serious though, there is an eac clone for linux (produces the same logs and uses the same ripping processes), i just do not know what it is called and cannot be arsed to look for them.</p>
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		<title>By: lithax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lithax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit I always thought Wine was one of those applications that was a complete nightmare to compile, but after doing regression tests I&#039;ve found compiling Wine is actually not that bad. Once Fedora 9 is released I&#039;ll be able to use that with an older version of Wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I always thought Wine was one of those applications that was a complete nightmare to compile, but after doing regression tests I&#8217;ve found compiling Wine is actually not that bad. Once Fedora 9 is released I&#8217;ll be able to use that with an older version of Wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Hi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need to revert to 7.04 to use a previous version of wine. I believe there are ways to install older wine versions. One is to download the older package to install. Not sure if you have to -purge the installed version or simply uninstall it.

I don&#039;t like regressions either, but many times a new Wine version will see regressions fixed if bug reports have been submitted.

P.S. Not too sure about procedures but I know it can be done.
GL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to revert to 7.04 to use a previous version of wine. I believe there are ways to install older wine versions. One is to download the older package to install. Not sure if you have to -purge the installed version or simply uninstall it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like regressions either, but many times a new Wine version will see regressions fixed if bug reports have been submitted.</p>
<p>P.S. Not too sure about procedures but I know it can be done.<br />
GL.</p>
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		<title>By: lithax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lithax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find my bug reports either now :p , I&#039;ll file a new bug report along with some output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find my bug reports either now :p , I&#8217;ll file a new bug report along with some output.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you show a link to the bug?  I can&#039;t find it.

I filed two bugs of my own about this just now,
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12359 and
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12361</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you show a link to the bug?  I can&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>I filed two bugs of my own about this just now,<br />
<a href="http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12359" rel="nofollow">http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12359</a> and<br />
<a href="http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12361" rel="nofollow">http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12361</a></p>
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